Speaking Ill of Kings: The Influence of Maurice Druon on ASOIAF (Part I)

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Introduction

Especially when discussing the more controversial aspects of ASOIAF, George R.R Martin will often point to history as a legitimizing factor – saying in essence if not outright that “this is how it was back then” – which has led to quite a few arguments from medievalists who point out that Martin’s world is far from the historical norm when it comes to some important issues.

To a certain extent, however, part of the confusion between Martin and his medievalist critics is due to the fact that Martin is far more influenced by historical fiction than recent medievalist historiography. And as a Romantic author himself, Martin is particularly attracted to historical fiction that already leans to the outré, which gives us something of a Man Who Shot Liberty Valance situation.

Notably, in the forward to the 2013 Edition of Les Rois Maudits, GRRM writes quite candidly about the influence of Maurice Druon’s historical fiction in particular on ASOIAF:

“I have always regarded historical fiction and fantasy as sisters under the skin, two genres separated at birth. My own series draws on both traditions…A Game of Thrones and its sequels were also influenced by the works of great historical novelists like…Maurice Druon, the amazing French writer who gave us The Accursed Kings…”

“The Accursed Kings has it all. Iron kings and strangled queens, battles and betrayals, lies and lust, deception, family rivalries, the curse of the Templars, babies switched at birth, she-wolves, sin, and swords, the doom of a great dynasty…and all of it (well, most of it) straight from the pages of history.” (The Iron King, p. X)

In this essay, I want to explore this influence in more detail, both for the sake of understanding how one text influences another, to see where and how GRRM drew upon Druon to create his world of ice and fire, but also as a potential solution to the problem discussed above, as an explanation for how the gap between Martin’s conception of the Middle Ages and modern medieval historiography emerged.

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Phillip IV as depicted in Knightfall (2017)

Remixing History

Before we get into that particular question, I want to explore in general how GRRM drew on Druon for inspiration for some of his characters. Take for example the title character – one might quibble at the term protagonist, given that he’s something of a passive figure for an important part of the plot – of the first book in Druon’s series, the “iron king” Phillip IV of France. I would argue that Martin borrowed liberally from Druon to create Tywin Lannister. Both men are associated with ruthlessness and an obsession with material wealth:

“At the beginning of the fourteenth century, Phillip IV, a king of legendary personal beauty, reigned over France as absolute master…He left no source of wealth untapped. He had in turn taxed the riches of the Church, despoiled the Jews, and made extortionate demands from the community of Lombard bankers. To meet he needs of the Treasury he debased the coinage. From day to day the gold piece weighed less and was worth more. Taxes were crushing: the police multiplied. Economic crisis led to ruin and famine which, in turn, caused uprisings which were bloodily put down. Rioting ended upon the forks of the gibbet. Everyone must accept the royal authority and obey it or be broken by it.”

“…Phillip the Fair was concerned at the Templars’ independence, while their immense wealth excised his greed. He brought against them the greatest prosecution in recorded history, since there were nearly fifteen thousand accused. It last seven year, and during its course every possible infamy was committed.” (The Iron King, Prologue)

“Unleash Ser Gregor and send him before us with his reavers. Send forth Vargo Hoat and his freeriders as well, and Ser Amory Lorch. Each is to have three hundred horse. Tell them I want to see the riverlands afire from the Gods Eye to the Red Fork.” (Tyrion IX, AGOT)

“I suppose you would have spared the boy and told Lord Frey you had no need of his allegiance? That would have driven the old fool right back into Stark’s arms and won you another year of war. Explain to me why it is more noble to kill ten thousand men in battle than a dozen at dinner.” (Tyrion VI, ASOS)

“A fool more foolish than most had once jested that even Lord Tywin’s shit was flecked with gold. Some said the man was still alive, deep in the bowels of Casterly Rock.” (Tyrion VII, AGOT)

“Will you forgive the throne’s debt to House Lannister?”

“Don’t be absurd.” (Tyrion IV, ASOS)

(One can only imagine that if Casterly Rock had existed in 14th-century France, it would not have stayed long in the possession of anyone other than the House of Capet.) In addition to these qualities, both men share a similar philosophy of governance, combining an authoritarian perspective on authority with an emphasis on the duty of elites to work competently for the good of the state and its ruling house rather than their personal interests:

“This cruel and dispassionate prince was concerned with the ideal of the nation. Under his reign France was great and the French wretched.” (The Iron King, Prologue)

“I don’t have to tell you…what we owe to our position and that we are not born to succumb to personal sorrows. We do not lead our own lives, but those of our kingdoms, and it is there alone that we can find content…if we can conform to our destiny.” (The Iron King, Part II, Chapter 7)

“Lord Tywin stared at him, unblinking. “Mummers and monkeys require applause. So did Aerys, for that matter. You did as you were commanded, and I am sure it was to the best of your ability. No one denies the part you played.” (Tyrion I, ASOS)

“You are my daughter and will do as I command…you will marry and you will breed…we shall talk again after you have composed yourself. Remember your duty.” (Tyrion III, ASOS)

“I have a duty—”

“You do.” Lord Tywin rose as well. “A duty to House Lannister. You are the heir to Casterly Rock. That is where you should be.” (Jaime VII, ASOS)

In addition to their attitudes to public life, the two men also share the most intimate of details in their personal lives: both Phillip and Tywin lost their wives – who even share near-identical names! – in childbirth, and chose to remain widowers for the rest of their lives rather than remarry for political or economic advantage as one might expect from their practical mindsets:

 “It was the year of the death of his wife Jeanne, who had brought Navarre to the kingdom, and to him the only love of his life. He had never wanted any other woman; and since she had died nine years ago he had looked at none another and would never do so.” (The Iron King, Part III, Chapter 3)

“His lordship suffered great personal loss as well, for his beloved wife, Lady Joanna, died in 273 AC whilst giving birth to a hideously deformed child. With her death, Grand Maester Pycelle observes, the joy went out of Tywin Lannister, yet still he persisted in his duty.” (WOIAF)

“My lord father had no use for whores, she thought. After our mother died he never touched a woman.” (Cersei I, AFFC)

One of the most telling details tying the two men together, in my opinion, is that Phillip the Fair and Tywin Lannister are described as having a particularly imposing stare, which in both Druon and Martin’s narratives provides a straightforward visual explanation for how these strong-willed men are able to impose their wills on others:

 “…Phillip the Fair was standing behind them, gazing at them with his unwinking, icy stare.”

“No doubt it was because of the way he looked at you out of those over-large unwinking eyes with their strange indefinite colour which lay somewhere between grey and pale blue, like the ice on ponds on winter mornings, eyes that remained in the memory for hours after you had looked into them.” (The Iron King, Chapter 4)

“King Phillip looked at her with that icy glance with which he regarded every human creature, even his own child.” (The Iron King, Part II, Chapter 7)

 “That half smile made Lord Tywin seem less fearful, somehow. That, and the fact that his eyes were closed. Her father’s eyes had always been unsettling; pale green, almost luminous, flecked with gold. His eyes could see inside you, could see how weak and worthless and ugly you were down deep. When he looked at you, you knew.”

“Unbidden, a memory came to her, of the feast King Aerys had thrown when Cersei first came to court, a girl as green as summer grass. Old Merryweather had been nattering about raising the duty on wine when Lord Rykker said, “If we need gold, His Grace should sit Lord Tywin on his chamber pot.” Aerys and his lickspittles laughed loudly, whilst Father stared at Rykker over his wine cup. Long after the merriment had died that gaze had lingered. Rykker turned away, turned back, met Father’s eyes, then ignored them, drank a tankard of ale, and stalked off red-faced, defeated by a pair of unflinching eyes.” (Cersei II, AFFC)

However, as I’ve discussed before, GRRM rarely goes one-for-one in his historical parallels, preferring instead to add his own spin on the character – Phillips’ flowing locks become Tywin’s characteristic shaven head, since Phillip’s blue eyes are associated with House Baratheon instead of House Lannister, Tywin’s imposing stare is green rather than blue – and of course, to remix various historical characters into one person.[1] In addition to the aspects of Phillip the Fair that I’ve already discussed, Tywin also shares much in common with Richard Neville the Kingmaker (an “overmighty vassal” known as the wealthiest lord in the kingdom who helped to overthrow the previous dynasty on behalf of another house and then turned against them), John of Gaunt, (another “overmighty vassal” who combined great wealth, longstanding participation in royal government, and a bad reputation among the commonfolk), and Rodrigo Borgia (in wealth, ambition, and frustration with his children’s interference with his attempts to empire-build).

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Another good example of GRRM drawing on Druon for one of his major characters is how much Cersei Lannister resembles Queen Isabella of France (and not just because they share an equivalent father-figure). To begin with, both women are described as especially beautiful women trapped in loveless royal marriages:

 “Queen Isabella, wife of Edward II, gazed vaguely, unseeingly, at the glow in the hearth. She was twenty-two years old, her complexion clear, pretty and without blemish.”

“…the loveless Queen sighed.”

“…my position is not a very enviable one…their lot seems to me far pleasanter than my own.”

“If her husband does not love her, a queen is the most miserable of the subjects of a kingdom. It is enough that she should have assured the succession; after that her life is of no account. What baron’s wife, what merchant’s or serf’s would tolerate what I have to bear…because I am Queen? The least washerwoman in the kingdom has greater rights than I: she can come and ask my protection.” (The Iron King, Chapter 1)

“Cersei … I have Jon Arryn to thank for her. I had no wish to marry after Lyanna was taken from me, but Jon said the realm needed an heir. Cersei Lannister would be a good match, he told me, she would bind Lord Tywin to me should Viserys Targaryen ever try to win back his father’s throne,” The king shook his head. “I loved that old man, I swear it, but now I think he was a bigger fool than Moon Boy. Oh, Cersei is lovely to look at, truly, but cold … the way she guards her cunt, you’d think she had all the gold of Casterly Rock between her legs.” (AGOT, Eddard VII)

Ned touched her cheek gently. “Has he done this before?”
“Once or twice.” She shied away from his hand. “Never on the face before. Jaime would have killed him, even if it meant his own life.” Cersei looked at him defiantly. “My brother is worth a hundred of your friend.” (AGOT, Edddard XII)

Following the Anna Karenina principal, their marriages are unhappy for different reasons – Isabella is unhappy because her husband keeps stealing her personal property to give as presents to his boyfriends, whereas Cersei’s marriage has a much more complicated dynamic of abuse, alcoholism, and mutual adultery. What does tie them together is the fact that, rather than suffering their situation meekly, both women react by seeking revenge against their husbands:

“I thought,” Isabella went on, “that I had known the worst with Sir Piers Gaveston. That insolent, boastful Béarnsais ruled my husband so successfully that he ruled the country too. Edward gave him all the jewels in my marriage casket…a year or so ago the barons and I succeeded in bringing Gaveston down; his head was cut off, and now his body lies rotting in the ground at Oxford,” the young Queen said with satisfaction. (The Iron King, Chapter 1)

“He did that himself. All we did was help. When Lancel saw that Robert was going after boar, he gave him strongwine. His favorite sour red, but fortified, three times as potent as he was used to. The great stinking fool loved it. He could have stopped swilling it down anytime he cared to, but no, he drained one skin and told Lancel to fetch another. The boar did the rest. You should have been at the feast, Tyrion. There has never been a boar so delicious. They cooked it with mushrooms and apples, and it tasted like triumph.” (ACOK, Tyrion I)

“The rule was hers; Cersei did not mean to give it up until Tommen came of age. I waited, so can he. I waited half my life. She had played the dutiful daughter, the blushing bride, the pliant wife. She had suffered Robert’s drunken groping, Jaime’s jealousy, Renly’s mockery, Varys with his titters, Stannis endlessly grinding his teeth. She had contended with Jon Arryn, Ned Stark, and her vile, treacherous, murderous dwarf brother, all the while promising herself that one day it would be her turn. If Margaery Tyrell thinks to cheat me of my hour in the sun, she had bloody well think again.” (AFFC, Cersei V)

Just as Cersei arranges the assassination of King Robert towards the end of AGOT, in Book 5 of The Accursed Kings, Isabella will join forces with the rebel Baron Roger Mortimer (who she will take as a lover, which provides yet another similarity to Cersei) to overthrow (and eventually murder) her husband Edward, as well as executing his lover Hugh Despenser. As one might imagine, queens overthrowing and assassinating their royal husbands was not a common occupation of medieval queens – a habit of Martin’s that I’ll discuss in more detail in the next section.

Following the earlier pattern of Phillip and Tywin sharing both political and personal characteristics, Cersei and Isabella also share something quite intimate, namely an unusually close maternal bond with their oldest son, which sees them encouraging their son to emulate their powerful father in being a ruthless and grasping ruler:

“…Well, Messire my son, so you have said: “Want”,’ said Isabella, leaning down to stroke his cheek. “I’m pleased that it should have been the first word you uttered: it’s the speech of a king.”

“…and why did he say it?” the Queen went on.

“Because I refused him a piece of the cake we were eating,” Lady Mortimer replied.

Isabella gave a brief smile, quickly.

“Since he has begun to talk…I insist that he not be encouraged to lisp nonsense, as children so after are. I’m not concerned that he should be able to say “Papa” and “Mamma”. I should prefer him to know the words “King” and “Queen.” (The Iron King, Chapter 1)

“Why would he? Robert ignored him. He would have beat him if I’d allowed it. That brute you made me marry once hit the boy so hard he knocked out two of his baby teeth, over some mischief with a cat. I told him I’d kill him in his sleep if he ever did it again, and he never did, but sometimes he would say things…” (ASOS, Tyrion VI)

Tommen did as he was bid. His meekness troubled her. A king had to be strong. Joffrey would have argued. He was never easy to cow. “Don’t slump so,” she told Tommen. “Sit like a king. Put your shoulders back and straighten your crown. Do you want it to tumble off your head in front of all your lords?” (AFFC, Cersei II)

When it comes to their children, however, Joffrey resembles much more Prince Edward of the House of Lancaster, who was also known for his sadism, charges of bastardy, and untimely death, than the future King Edward III, the victor of Crécy and Poitiers and the ancestor of both the Houses of York and Lancaster. Here is where we can see one of the advantages of GRRM’s penchant for historical remixing – if Isabella’s son doesn’t fit the mold he intends for Cersei’s son, he can always look to some of Cersei’s other historical parallels for inspiration, and Marguerite d’Anjou thus supplies the necessary nasty prince.

Sexuality and Age of Marriage

Now that we see how Martin borrows from history and historical fiction, let’s get into some of these contentious issue in the fandom. Take for example, the issue of the age of Martin’s brides: throughout ASOIAF, Martin has his characters marry at extremely young ages: Sansa is married at twelve, Margaery at fourteen, Catelyn at, Lysa, Cersei, etc. etc. However, when people bring up this issue (or indeed, similar issues with regard to gender), GRRM points to these things as normal:

“The books reflect a patriarchal society based on the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages were not a time of sexual egalitarianism. It was very classist, dividing people into three classes. And they had strong ideas about the roles of women. One of the charges against Joan of Arc that got her burned at the stake was that she wore men’s clothing—that was not a small thing. There were, of course, some strong and competent women. It still doesn’t change the nature of the society.” (source)

Here’s where the distinction between history and historical fiction becomes important. In The Iron King, the main female characters are Queen Isabella of England, Marguerite of Burgundy, and hers sister Jeanne and Blanche of Burgundy: it happens to be the case that Isabella was married at age 12, Marguerite at age 15, Jeanne at age 15, and Blanche at age 12. At the same time, it’s also the case that this was not the statistical norm for women (even noblewomen) across the Middle Ages.

As a writer of historical fiction, Druon is more interested in the shocking, the extreme, and the novel than the common and the quotidian (more on this later). This is perfectly fine as far it goes – Druon is after all writing a novel rather than a textbook – except that Druon has something of a tendency to present the unusual as the norm. Take, for example, the way that Druon describes coming to the throne at an early age:

“Robert of Artois did not appear surprised to hear these cruel words uttered by a beautiful woman. It must be admitted that such things were the common coin of the period. Kingdoms were often handed over to adolescents, whose absolute power fascinated them as might a game. Hardly grown out of the age in which it is fun to tear the wings from flies, they might now amuse themselves by tearing the heads from men. Too young to fear or even imagine death, they would not hesitate to distribute it around them.

Isabella had ascended the throne at sixteen; she had come a long way in six years.” (The Iron King, Chapter 1)

This is where I feel the different standards which readers and critics rightly have for writers of fiction and non-fiction becomes something of a problem. Precisely because of the richness and immediacy of narrative style, historical fiction has such a powerful impact that it can overpower academic monographs and articles alike in the popular historical imagination. To this end, on this point, I do think that Druon comes close to a kind of historical fiction malpractice on this point when he defines for the reader “how things were back then.”

I would argue that Druon’s writing had something of an outsized influence on George R.R Martin, because as a Romantic writer GRRM was already predisposed to be interested in the shocking, the novel and the extreme:

“The best fantasy is written in the language of dreams. It is alive as dreams are alive, more real than real… for a moment at least… that long magic moment before we wake. Fantasy is silver and scarlet, indigo and azure, obsidian veined with gold and lapis lazuli. Reality is plywood and plastic, done up in mud brown and olive drab. Fantasy tastes of habaneros and honey, cinnamon and cloves, rare red meat and wines as sweet as summer. Reality is beans and tofu, and ashes at the end. Reality is the strip malls of Burbank, the smoke-stacks of Cleveland, a parking garage in Newark. Fantasy is the towers of Minas Tirith, the ancient stones of Gormenghast, the halls of Camelot. Fantasy flies on the wings of Icarus, reality on Southwest airlines. Why do our dreams become so much smaller when they finally come true?

We read fantasy to find the colors again, I think. To taste strong spices and hear the song the sirens sang. There is something old and true in fantasy that speaks to something deep within us, to the child who dreamt that one day he would hunt the forests of the night, and feast beneath the hollow hills, and find a love to last forever, somewhere south of Oz and north of Shangri-La.

They can keep their heaven. When I die, I’d sooner go to Middle Earth.” (The Faces of Fantasy)

This philosophy can be seen throughout ASOIAF – it’s why the Wall is 700 feet tall even though that makes the kind of back-and-forth archery of the Battle of Castle Black impossible, it’s why Casterly Rock is the size of San Francisco, or why the Eyrie is so implausibly vertiginous, it’s why some of the major families of Westeros can trace their lineages back across eight thousand years of history, and his pseudo-England is the size of South America. So of course when a writer with these kinds of tendencies is deeply influenced by this kind of historical fiction, the natural result is that Martin takes what he thinks as the historical norm and then turns it up to 11 the same way he does with everything else, and the result is everyone in Westeros getting married in their early teens if not before.

Moreover, this phenomena is not limited to the age of marriage, but influences all kinds of aspects of Martin’s narrative. Consider the Tour de Nesle Affair, which provides the backbone of The Iron King and sets off the dynastic crisis that the rest of The Accursed Kings will revolve around:

“Well, Madame…to complete the admirable lessons you have given your son, you will soon be able to inform him that Marguerite of Burgundy, Queen of Navarre, Future Queen of France, granddaughter of Saint Louis, is qualifying to be called by her people Marguerite the Whore…it’s true for your two sisters-in-law as well.”

“…the true, pure, chaste Marguerite has had an apartment furnished in the old tower of the Hôtel-de-Nesle, in order, so she says, to retire there to say her prayers. Curiously enough, however, she prays there on precisely those nights your brother Louis is away. The lights shine there pretty late. Her cousin Blanche, sometimes her cousin Jeanne, joins her there…” (The Iron King, Chapter 1)

The Tour de Nesle Affair was a truly unusual incident in the history of medieval France: three princesses and future queens were caught in adultery due to an elaborate scheme by their sister-in-law, imprisoned either at home or in castle dungeons or nunneries, with two of them dying in captivity (one of whom seemingly was murdered to allow her royal husband to remarry) and the third becoming Queen Consort of France, and the succession of the House of Capet being thrown into such jeopardy that it led to France adopting Salic Law and (as Druon argues) ultimately the Hundred Years War.

One can see, therefore, why this incident would appeal to Maurice Druon as a suitably dramatic set-piece for his narrative, and why it would appeal to GRRM as well, in the way that it combines politics and sexuality. On the other hand, the Tour de Nesle Affair is famous because it was not the norm. Adulterous queens were a significant part of chivalric romances, but in real life they tended to be quite rare (or very discreet) because of the extreme consequences of being caught and the difficulties of ending a fatally-compromised royal marriage. (Naturally, adulterous kings were both more common because their infidelities were widely tolerated.)

While the clearest impact of the Tour de Nesle is as an inspiration[2] for Cersei and Margaery being put on trial by the Faith for royal adultery (and in Cersei’s case, adultery, incest, murder, and treason as well), especially Cersei’s lead role in developing an elaborate scheme to trap Margaery in an unwinnable trial, I would argue that we can see its influence throughout the series. Whether we’re talking about the unnamed wife of Morden II Durrandon, the rumors of infidelity that swirled around Queen Rhaenys Targaryen, the supposed infidelities of Queen Alys Harroway, Rhaenrya’s affair with Harwin Strong (to say nothing of the allegations of Mushroom),the scandals around Daena the Defiant and Princess Elaena, Aegon IV’s accusations of Queen Naerys’ infidelities, the supposed affair between Aerys II and Joanna Lannister, Cersei Lannister’s actual affair with her brother, Lysa Arryn’s affair with Petyr Baelish, the supposed affair between Selyse Baratheon and Moonboy…it’s a omnipresent theme.

Conclusion:

Of course, the most controversial aspect of GRRM’s “realism” and its relation to medieval historiography has to do with sexual violence, which is far too serious an issue to try to boil down to Romanticism, turning knobs up to 11, or the work of Maurice Druon, Especially since, to the best of my recollection, sexual violence doesn’t really come up in The Accursed Kings. Queens are arrested, imprisoned, and murdered aplenty, but that is as far as it goes.

On the other hand, to the extent that Martin associates sexual violence with the Middle Ages, I don’t think we can let historical fiction entirely off the hook either – because I think there is something telling about the way that, in interviews Martin associates sexual violence with the Wars of the Roses and the Hundred Years War (which often did involve violence inflicted against civilians and the widespread breakdown of law and order), both subjects that I’m sure he read about in other writers.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[1] For example Robb Stark is something of a blend of Edward IV of York (an undefeated general who became king at an early age who married unwisely), Earl William Douglas (the victim of the “Black Dinner” which inspired the Red Wedding), and Charles XII of Sweden (another youthful king who was undefeated when he led his armies in the field, but who ultimately lost both his life and his empire.

[2] The other inspiration is the trial of Anne Boleyn for adultery and treason: the Blue Bard is a stand-in for Mark Smeaton, a court musician in Anne Boleyn’s entourage who confessed to being her lover and named the other men who were later arrested, tried, and convicted as the queen’s lovers, a confession widely believed to have been extracted under torture. Similarly, Cersei’s suggestion to Taena that Loras might be one of Margaery’s lovers points to Anne’s brother, George Boleyn, who was one of the men arrested and convicted of being the queen’s lover.

44 thoughts on “Speaking Ill of Kings: The Influence of Maurice Druon on ASOIAF (Part I)

  1. artihcus022 says:

    Philip IV also seems to have inspired Roose Bolton. Roose is also described having an icy stare and having ice in veins. That line about “making the kingdom great and the people wretched” can be seen in “a peaceful land a quiet people”. Given that Philip IV persecuted Jews, the fact that ASOIAF doesn’t have an analogue of antisemitism which was a big part of the medieval era from the Crusades through the Renaissance and Reformation is a telling absence. Edward Longshanks, Philip IV and others at various times expelled, deported, and appropriated property from Jews and others. It’s certainly a case that works showing the middle ages in general downplay antisemitism, the one exception is the French-English The Pied Paper made in the 70s, directed by Jacques Demy and featuring Donovan as the Piper. It transposes the fairy tale to Europe in the Black Death and highlights the anti-semtiism and bigotry of the time. Still ASOIAF single-handedly overturned the previous Disney-fied idea of the Middle Ages in the popular imagination and culture. And I think the important thing to take away is that Martin isn’t doing some last word on medievalism or any such thing. But merely showing one of many approaches you can take by putting history back into fantasy.

    • Steven Xue says:

      Yeah I too wish GRRM had created an analogue for the Jews. I suppose he probably feared some backlash as it might have come off as insensitive or antisemitic to some readers, even through he would of intended it as a critique on history. Then again I don’t think he would have needed to make a direct parallel of antisemitism to explore how bad racism and bigotry was back then. Maybe he could have made communities of Rhoynish folk who lived outside of Dorne in Andal rich south Westeros as his persecuted minority. They mostly having olive skin, exotic attires and keeping to their old ways and strange customs (plus being associated with Dorne) would have made them excellent targets for hate and abuse. And it would be quite relevant today as I think it could have been similar to how some people treat immigrants. Also its really strange to me that there are no groups of Rhoynar living outside of Dorne in the more lush and fertile lands up north.

      • artihcus022 says:

        GRRM isn’t timid about having analogues to Africa, Picts, Albigensian/Cathars, and of course the Dothraki and other dark skinned types from Essos, so I don’t know why he should be timid about Jewish analogues. Being timid about dealing with minority issues often leads to putting them out of history altogether. That’s actually one of the reasons for whitewashing and removing ethnicity and so on. The only thing that matters is doing it well or doing it badly.

        Having a three-dimensional and respectful analogue for Jewish people in fantasy is actually necessary because a number of fantasy and folklore originated as anti-semitic caricatures and are often featured in movies and science-fiction. The Harry Potter books and movies have goblins that are more or less Jews, complete with owning the banks, being grudge-holding Shylock types who are resentful and have weird attitudes to ownership and so on. But then the Harry Potter books are pretty tone deaf, after all the hero ends up becoming a slaveowner at the end of the story. Then Watto in the Star Wars prequels is another example.

        • Medieval antisemitism was more religious in nature, not racial (unlike the modern antisemitism, which came after the racial theories of the eighteenth century). So that would be an unlikely thing in Westeros, since GRRM portrays Westeros as a very religiously tolerant place (which is a big departure from the actual European history).

          • artihcus022 says:

            The idea that bigotry in the medieval era had no racism similar to the modern idea of it is something that is far from a total consensus. And there is happily some pushback to this kind of post-modernist cant. In the case of anti-semitism, a single reading of William Shakespeare’s The Merchant of Venice and Marlowe’s The Jew of Malta ought to give pause to the idea that medieval antisemitism (or in this case Early Modern antisemitism) did not have a racial component. Even in Chaucer, the antisemitism there is of a more racist nature. Then you have Reconquista Spain, with the whole one drop thing, and New Christian persecution of conversos which is definitely racist.

            I don’t think GRRM shows Westeros as “religiously tolerant” either. The fact is that religion has been kept separate from political influence thanks to dragonfire. The real wars of religion in Westeros happened during the Andal years and if you consider the total wipeout of Old Gods worship south of the neck, the idea that religious harmony is inherent to Westeros is insupportable. At best you can quote that line from Joyce’s Ulysses, where one guy in a bar boasts of Irish tolerance to Jews by remarking “we never let them in” since after the Andals no other religious persuasion has landed and presented a challenge. As Steven himself pointed out the Bracken-Blackwood feud that led to the Durrandon Invasion was driven by a religious conflict between the Seven-leaning Brackens and the Old Gods holdout Blackwood. Knighthood is likewise associated exclusively with the Seven, so Mormont had to convert to it. Then you have Maester Cressen’s attitude to Melisandre which is trying to murder her with little direct motivation. You have Davos’ religious awakening post-Blackwater that also leads him to plotting to murder Melisandre. And Steven’s account of Davos I shows that the conflict between Rhllorists and Seveners at Dragonstone was by no means entirely done by the former.

            And that’s Westeros. I haven’t talked about the Ironborn, where religious nationalism is the biggest thing.

          • Sean C. says:

            I don’t think GRRM shows Westeros as “religiously tolerant” either.

            While he would attempt to add in more in the way of religious conflict in later books, the basic setup of Westeros as established in the first few has a very minimalist attitude toward religion.

            This is exemplified, as I’ve said here a few times before, by the Stark kids, who are all raised in two completely inconsistent religious traditions and think nothing of it.
            With the proposed Sansa/Joffrey marriage, the Old Gods connection never comes up, even though the idea of a medieval king marrying a woman who was both a Christian and a practicing Muslim would have been utterly heretical, and that’s with two religions that are both branches of the same faith tradition, whereas the Old Gods and the Seven have zero overlap (Indeed, it’s more like Christianity and Druidism). Likewise, the Blackwoods intermarry with the other Seven-following southern houses apparently without issue. You can swear oaths “by the Old Gods and the New”, which is like saying “I swear by Jesus and Buddha”.

      • Sean C. says:

        I don’t think the lack of a Jewish analogue was so much about fears of insensitivity (GRRM has on a couple of points wandered into insensitivity in depicting race, etc.), as the fact that when designing this world GRRM did not really put much emphasis on religion. He only belatedly tried to fill in that gap a bit around A Feast for Crows, and it’s never been especially well-integrated with the rest of Westerosi history.

    • Yeah, I could see a bit of Phillip IV with Roose.

      To be honest, GRRM is hardly alone in his omissions – most fantasy settings don’t want to deal with the issue, so they leave it out.

    • Sean C. says:

      Still ASOIAF single-handedly overturned the previous Disney-fied idea of the Middle Ages in the popular imagination and culture.

      That was dead well before ASOIAF came along (or at least, entered the popular consciousness when the show debuted). The dominant cultural presentation of the Middle Ages in the last quarter century would probably be Braveheart (a movie that I suspect also influenced GRRM, as it came out at the time he was really getting down to writing the series, and is probably where he got the incorrect idea that prima nocta was a thing).

      • artihcus022 says:

        The dominant idea of the Middle Ages or European Past is Disney with its neoroyalism, its Princesses, and its fetishization of castles and palaces, which infected Sofia Coppola’s well-made but reactionary Marie Antoinette. The idea that Princesses could marry for love or marry commoners and so on. After Martin, nobody can come and project sentimental attitudes back then, about actually living in that time.

        Braveheart is still a Disneyfied take, albeit for the R-Rated Crowd. The hero is some outlaw peasant brigand opposing the evil King, he has a marriage for love, and seduces the Queen of England from her gay husband (!). The whole prima noctae thing is all about evil lords attacking the institution of marriage, which presumes that social customs and marriage back then was continuous with ours.

        And if Martin is inspired by Braveheart, his use of prima noctae is a joke. In Braveheart, as part of its hysterical racist schema, the Evil English are shown imposing prima nocta on the primitive family values Pict-Highlander Scots (!), while in ASOIAF, the North (which is inspired by Scotland) was into prima nocta until the Valyrian Conquerors shut it down.

        • Sean C. says:

          The storybook Middle Ages is still around, though. ASOIAF didn’t kill that. It just continues in stories for the young.

          The idealized Middle Ages were long gone from adult pop culture pre-ASOIAF. Monty Python and the Holy Grail was parodying that in the 1970s. And interpreting Braveheart as “Disneyfied” is a pretty huge stretch, since ASOIAF also features plenty of anachronistic stuff of the sort you describe. And people did marry for love in the Middle Ages, particularly peasants like Wallace was depicted as being, because nobody cared.

          The First Night thing was throughout the Seven Kingdoms, not just the North.

    • Lucerys says:

      Well for the Jews to be a such a factor in real history you had to have the incident where the Romans decided to exile the entire population from their own country. Its possible you might have or have had a people on Planetos who believed themselves so chosen that no empire can rule them. It could be they were never exiled and either are still around but only within a limited sphere of influence or possibly died out because of some catastrophe (Long Night, Doom) or the empire in question were more ruthless than the Romans and decided on extermination rather than exile (Valarians,Dothraki).

  2. Steven Xue says:

    I’m glad to see you are finally getting to the Accursed Kings novels, can’t to read more on this subject. You pointed out that “Phillip’s blue eyes are associated with House Baratheon instead of House Lannister”, this makes me wonder if you will consider Phillip the Fair also has a blood brother in Stannis Baratheon? Because when I read the Iron King although I felt his personality did have some shades of Tywin in him, to me he seemed a lot more like Stannis than Tywin. He was after all portrayed by Druon as a very rigid and authoritarian monarch committed to his prescribed role in life, doing his best to enforce the will and authority of the crown for the benefit of the realm while being largely misunderstood and misjudged by his subjects as this heartless, tyrannical figure. Plus both men had a obnoxious and self aggrandizing younger brother who harbored ambitions to take their throne, Philip had Charles of Valois and Stannis had Renly.

    • artihcus022 says:

      Stannis never really held a great deal of power over the 7 Kingdoms. Tywin did as Hand of the King under Aerys II and then in ASOS. Stannis is on the margins of power under King Robert, and then as King in his own right.

      In terms of personality, Stannis isn’t cold. That’s his problem. He shows his opinions and emotions all the time. Whereas Tywin had more self-control. Stannis is also in the eyes of Westeros, a “heathen” whereas Philip IV was a Catholic or a Faith of the Seven-worshipper in Westeros, albeit one who never let that get in the way of having his way with the Church and the Templars.

      The Faith of the Seven does seem to resemble the Avignon Papacy which originated under Philip IV. You know moving the center of the faith to the capital, making him the Pope, the King’s personal lackey and so on. So Philip IV was also a model for Aegon the Conqueror/Maegor/Jaehaerys. Maegor got the whole burning the Templars thing.

      Martin said that he based Stannis on Tiberius in I Claudius. And overall he is most like Richard III, who is all things considered the true historical influence for the entire series, since R3 inspired four characters: Ned, Theon, Stannis, Tyrion.

      • Theon is a lot more like Buckingham than Richard III.

      • Steven Xue says:

        I agree when it comes to certain key personality traits like being reserved and calculating and having a very harsh reputation, Philip the Fair does resemble Tywin more. However even though he was cold and ruled his kingdom with an iron fist, I never saw him as cruel like Tywin was. Sure he did horrible things like the way he persecuted the Jews and Templars and murdered the former pope to bend the Papacy to his will. And while like Tywin he was an ‘ends justify the means’ type of ruler, unlike Tywin he wasn’t vindictive or did cruel things for cruelty’s sake. In fact near the end of the first book he lamented many of the decisions he had made during his reign. I could never imagine Tywin ever reflecting on the brutal things he had done in his life and feel remorse for his actions. For anyone to gleefully feel pride after executing a plan as dreadful as the Red Wedding is in my opinion a heartless bastard.

        • artihcus022 says:

          If we are speaking of Philip IV in Druon’s Iron King, there is that scene where after Molay burns and he curses the Capetians (apocryphal but whatever)…he says that the only regret is that he didn’t cut out his tongue before burning him. So I don’t know, sounds like a Tywin thing to say, or even Roose.

          The real Philip IV’s persecution of the Templars was a remarkably cold-blooded affair. He had a propaganda machine print the most ridiculous stuff, arrested them immediately and tortured them in a manner that truly does justice to the word “medieval” (including holding fire below someone hanging by strapado and keeping it going until it literally burnt their feet off…from which we get the phrase “hold his feet to the fire”). He personally saw people burn to death below his palace balcony. And I say coldblooded because unlilke in Druon which opens with Jacques’ death, the real Philip persecuted the Templars over years from 1307 onwards, and systematically kept at it interim.

    • Kevan says:

      Interestingly, the biggest difference between this two handsome, stern, blond, competent, powerful bad fathers is that Philipp IV actually had some “liberals” ideas for his time, being supportive of people of lesser birth accedding to important charges and serf being able to pay for their freedom, while Tywin was known for crushing Aegon V’s smallfolk friendly reforms.

      • Sannom says:

        That, too. The defining political base of his brother Charles is that he intends to bring the kingdom back to the ways of Saint Louis.

        And as bad a father as Phillip is, he does have some degree of empathy for his daughter’s plight and does at least put his sons on his councils to try and train them, even if he’s not very good at it.

        • Steven Xue says:

          I’m not sure that his sons’ shortcomings in becoming capable rulers (two of them at least) was Philip’s own fault or because they were naturally lackluster at governing. His eldest son Louis for instance was just really cruel and headstrong (hence his moniker) and wasn’t good at concentrating kind of like Joffrey. And his youngest son Charles was weak minded and a dolt like Tommen. His middle son Philip on the other hand was very capable and excelled in politics and statecraft. Philip IV even considered he was the best choice out of the three to succeed him and wished he had been born first instead of Louis.

    • I thought about this, but while there’s some overlap, I think artihcus has a point in that Stannis is more of a contender than a ruler, structurally speaking. I thought about including a section on the less clear parallels – I actually see a bit more of Stannis in Phillip V, especially in the period in which he’s contending against Charles of Valois.

  3. William H Griese says:

    It’s nice to see a write-up on the accursed kings/ASOIAF

  4. Brett says:

    Druon’s prose is much more florid, but the influence was unmistakable when I read his first six books.

    I think I’ve read his three biggest influences again just in the past year. I read the first six Accursed King novels (the seventh is an odd duck that I didn’t care for), I read Lovecraft (and wow is that influence everywhere in Planetos, especially after reading “At The Mountains of Madness”), and I re-read Lord of the Rings.

  5. Absalom says:

    Great article as always! At the beginning of this year I read the first two books of the Accursed Kings in quick succession. I enjoyed them well enough but not without caveats, primarily because I found the text quite dry and several characters a little wooden. I was also minorly upset about a few moments of inelegant translation. I still haven’t touched the third book but I want to before the year ends.

  6. Sannom says:

    “Especially since, to the best of my recollection, sexual violence doesn’t really come up in The Accursed Kings.”

    There is definitely some sexual violence when Robert tries to take back Artois by force at some point. Maybe the scene between Robert and Marguerite in her cell? Granted, he literally drops her the moment that she tells him to drop it, but he was still an insistent dick before that.

  7. Maisha says:

    Speaking of sexual violence in The Accursed Kings, one of the books, either The Poisoned Crown or The Royal Succession, gives a graphic account of Robert of Artois sacking a town in the possession of his aunt Mahaut. The details are definitely meant to shock the readers and elicit strong feelings of disgust, perhaps to give an unsympathetic layer to Robert the character? And then you have to think about the relationship between Louis the Huttin and the servant Eudeline. I thought Maurice made it clear that she was hesitant to sleep with him again. And it’s not like he was taking care of her and their daughter since he was afraid of his father’s reaction to his affair. The violence against peasants/small folk is definitely there in Maurice Druon’s works, but it’s not at the forefront of the series unlike ASOIAF.

  8. They will bend the knee says:

    The original text was not a work of great literature value but I fell like the translation is really weak.

    Anyway I’m glad you’re including some of your essays on the accursed kings on your blog, I’m looking forward to read the next ones ! Thank you !

  9. Abbey Battle says:

    All this just makes me wonder who’d win in a Clash of Kings between History a la Druon and Fantasy a la Martin … (how long has it been since you threw that DEATH MATCH Maester Steven?).

  10. Celiss says:

    Ever since I first read The Accursed Kings at the age of thirteen, it has been one of my favourite series and I reread it many times, especially the first book. So I was pretty surprised to see the quote about young rulers from the very first chapter, because I’m totally unfamilliar with it. I have both Polish and French version of The Iron King, and the above quote is nowhere to be found in there. Either the French version was expanded somehow in later editions or English translator took some liberties with the text and added something on his own. It does sound like something Druon would write, though.

    I must admit, unhappy marriage and mariticide aside, I never saw much overlap between Cersei and Isabelle. They’re both markedly different women, with Isabelle being sexually restrained (until she meets Mortimer), responsible and duty oriented, while Cersei is anything but. I would actually say Isabelle has more in common with Catelyn with the way she takes matters in her own hands.

    All that aside, I’m really happy to an article on Accursed Kings here, I’ve been waiting for it since it was announced. I can’t wait to see more!

  11. They will bend the knee says:

    On a sadder side note, Jean Piat, the actor who played Robert d’Artois in the 1972 TV serie died last night.

  12. Abraxas says:

    Interestingly, whilst Holywood’s take on the Middle Ages (“Braveheart”, Ridley Scott’s “Robin Hood”, etc.) is invariably Disneyfied, Eastern Europe has produced a number of far grittier versions: Frantisek Vlácil’s 1967 masterpiece “Marketa Lazarova”, Tarkovsky’s masterly “Andrei Rublev” and of course Eisenstein’s “Ivan the Terrible”.

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