RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!


Hey folks! With Arya III done, next on the list is Politics of the Stormlands Part III, which is bringing us closer to the end of the Seven Kingdoms series, after which will probably be an essay on the Great Councils of Westeros. Also, since people have been asking me, yes I plan to do blog posts about Season 7 of Game of Thrones but not a podcast, for a whole host of reasons.

In the meantime, we have a TON of stuff on the Tumblrs:




23 thoughts on “RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!

  1. Anas Abu Salah says:

    Looking forward to Part III! Anyway, can you say as of yet whether or not the problems with the Durrandon section of the Stormlands chapter continue in the Baratheon section? Because to me it does still feel like the Stormlands more often than not even during the post-conquest era are an afterthought, hence Borros during the Dance and the black hole from him to Lyonel as Lord of Storm’s End during the reign of Aegon V, eight kings down the line.

    • Murc says:

      Let’s be fair. This isn’t unique to the Stormlands. The North wasn’t really doing much during that period either. If we didn’t have that Stark family tree in the back of WOIAF they’d have an equal black hole.

      • Anas Abu Salah says:

        Actually, the North was doing plenty during the Targaryen era. During the early days from Aegon I-Jaehaerys I they were quite unruly vassals. During the Dance and the Conquest of Dorne they played a noteworthy role not to mention the Manderlys were part of the mess that was Aegon III’s regency. After that we know vaguely from the time of Baelor I to the time of Aegon V that the North went through some serious troubles, including problems of succession, a wilding invasion, a Skagosi rebellion, and Ironborn reaving, following which they took part in the War of the Ninepenny Kings and still later played a pivotal role in Robert’s Rebellion as well. Can you give me as detailed a description as that of the Stormlands history post-conquest?

        • Murc says:

          Actually, the North was doing plenty during the Targaryen era.

          I didn’t say they weren’t. You made a reference to the “black hole” that exists between the Dance and Lyonel. My response is that the north has an equal black hole during the same period.

          That said, it would appear I was somewhat wrong about that. The north isn’t an equal black hole. It comes close; they toss in a few paragraphs about Rickon Stark fighting in Dorne and Skagos and the Ironborn and that’s that.

          But that’s more than the Baratheons got. I was wrong about that.

          It’s weird in many ways, because you’d think the Baratheons would have have been heavily involved in all that Dornish bullshit.

    • The Baratheon section is better, although it still has some issues.

  2. Brett says:

    Post got eaten again. I think it does that every time I login.

    -I thought the same thing about the Others vs the Show, but now I’m not so sure it’s not going to be in the books as well. Elio and Linda did a video on R’hllor and the Others about two weeks before “The Door” premiered and made that reveal, and they mentioned in the video (time skip 12:12) that Martin had said the Others “don’t really have a culture” in an interview. They brought up the possibility that the Children created the Others.

    It would make them more like the dragons than the Unseelie – essentially “living weapons” that are both made of magic and further its power (in the same way that the dragons being reborn are both emblematic of magic’s return and also might be enhancing the power of fire magic – and were created with magic if Barth was right).

    I don’t think the books will do the “Night’s King” thing, though. Rather, they’ll have the “Great Other” as something separate that the Children dangerously tapped into out of desperation to create the Others, and which they lost control over. It would at least explain why they knew how to kill them (unless the “Unseelie” theory is right, and the Children had fought them before).

  3. Jim B says:

    Regarding the length of Westerosi wars:

    I was under the impression that the reason that winter put a halt to fighting in our medieval period wasn’t so much that you can’t fight in winter as that the armies were made of peasants who needed to return to their farms in autumn to work the harvest. My understanding of Westerosi seasons and agriculture is that you can get multiple harvests in one of those overlong seasons. So even if you go five years without a winter, there’s still a harvest to be done every six months or whatever. And given that, despite the best work of the Maesters, you never know for sure how long winter will be, having your army still out on campaign and missing the final harvest could be disastrous — winter forage and hunting and starvation rations might get a kingdom through a “normal” winter, but not a Westerosi one.

    Still, though, this does feel like I’m trying to win a no-prize. The length of the seasons seems to be something that GRRM thought was a cool idea when he started, but he’s never really dealt much with the implications.

    • No, winter was a major reason beyond the harvest thing. Lower temperatures make it harder to camp outdoors, rain/snow turn the roads into mud, less daylight for marching and figghting, etc.

      But yes, there probably are harvests every year even with the whacky Westerosi weather.

  4. thatrabidpotato says:

    Do you guys think the show is right about Sansa ending up Lady of Winterfell/the North, or do you still think Rickon will get it?

    • Murc says:

      I kind of HOPE Rickon gets it, because if he doesn’t it means he is dead or permanently exiled into obscurity or something.

      I think Sansa’s book endgame is helping get the north settled, and then she returns to the Vale as Lady Hardyng (Lady Arryn? Will Harrold take the Arryn name to preserve the thousands of years of tradition and cachet that have attached to it?) to rule alongside, or perhaps through, her husband.

      • Brett says:

        Lady Arryn – I’m positive that Harry the Heir is going to take the name*. I wouldn’t be surprised if she not only becomes a powerful “Lady of the Vale”, but also plays a big role in whatever end-game political settlement is in Westeros after spring comes and the Others are defeated.

        * Shades of Beren Tallhart (Lady Hornwood’s nephew through her late husband) potentially being adopted and taking the Hornwood name.

      • Keith B says:

        I wouldn’t assume that Sansa will marry Harry the Heir. It’s more likely than not that she won’t. The marriage plan is Littlefinger’s. It’s not Sansa’s and it’s definitely not Harry’s. Littlefinger thinks that Harry will fall for her because he himself is obsessed. Rather uncharacteristically for him, he’s fallen into the trap of believing other people will do what he thinks they should. But Harry doesn’t seem terribly impressed. He has no trouble getting girls and has too high an opinion of himself to throw himself away on the bastard daughter of a very minor lord. If he knew who she was, he might be interested, but Littlefinger’s plan is that he won’t know until he’s already committed to the marriage. For Harry, Alayne’s pretty enough, but she’s the kind of girl he has an affair with, not the kind he marries.

        The book is also full of clues that Littlefinger doesn’t have as much control in the Vale as he thinks. Myranda Royce may already have a hunch who Alayne really is; at the very least she knows she’s not what she claims to be. Lyn Corbray is bought, but not likely to stay bought. Ser Shadrich may disrupt a lot of plans. And at some point Sansa herself may start to wake up and begin to understand what she heard from Lysa and Littlefinger, and realize how badly her family was betrayed.

        The Harry and Sansa match is Littlefinger trying to create, or re-create, a romantic fantasy. It probably won’t end well.

    • fjallstrom says:

      I think it will be Rickon. GRRM doesn’t kill of characters in the same way the show does, and I think he has kept him alive to be lord. A quite feral lord, but the Starks appears to have been that way.

  5. Brett says:

    Since Martin just made some interesting comments about wights, I guess we might as well talk about them here.

    1. Some folks pointed out that Ice Wights appear to be mindless, but I think that’s only because they’re being controlled by the Others as meat puppets (see the matching blue eyes – the Others might literally be possessing them). When we see the rare Ice Wight that isn’t under their control – Coldhands – he or she can talk like the Fire Wights and make decisions.

    2. Is Melisandre a Fire Wight? We know she’s centuries old and using magic to conceal her appearance, but I remember her chapter mentioned that she didn’t really need to eat or drink, and that the fire in her chamber must not be allowed to go out. Maybe Fire Wights eventually “run out of energy”, and Melisandre is drawing upon the fire to keep herself going longer than they would on their own.

    • Brett says:

      Assuming that Coldhands is a freed Ice Wight, of course, and wasn’t revived a different way.

    • 1. In addition to Coldhands, there’s also the attack on Jeor which seemed to have some memory and consciousness behind it.

      2. Probably not, doesn’t seem to share the same symptoms as Beric.

    • thatrabidpotato says:

      That is just plain stupid. I’m proud as a conservative to point out that the author got torn apart in the comments.

    • fjallstrom says:

      I think Baelish has had his champions in these comment threads as well. Without doing a re-reading I think the pattern was: 1. Baelish broke no law, he was just smart! 2. Prove that there was a law against it! 3. He was never convicted, so he isn’t guilty. Just trust me on this, I work in finance.

      Which, if step 3 was true about working in finance, provides an interesting window into how financial scams get justified by those who work with executing them.

  6. David Hunt says:

    Steven: I somehow messed up with Tumbler and can’t post questions there at all. This is a comment on your recent (7/20/17) post on Romanticism and happy endings.

    I’m not qualified to comment on the Romantic Movement and enjoyed your writing on it. In response to anonymous asker who mentioned all the bad times that characters are going through: IT’S NOT THE END OF STORY! If any of the characters had gotten a Happy Ending at this point, there’d be no point them appearing in the remaining two books. We’re still at the raising stakes part of the story and likely will be for all of the Winds of Winter and some of a Dream of Spring. When the story’s over, then arguments can be made about how bleak it is. Personally I expect a good descriptor of the ending to be “bittersweet.”

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