RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!


Hey folks! Sansa II is coming along nicely (2400 words), but it’s not ready yet, so I thought I’d share some good stuff from the Tumblrs to whet your appetite:




38 thoughts on “RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!

  1. Brett says:

    2. The Others seem pretty slow to move on the Wall, even once they’ve assembled a large number of wights. It seems pretty likely to me that they don’t really know how to bring down the Wall except the Horn, so they’re sniffing around for other weaknesses in the magic.

    7. It’s a little strange that the Volantene slave-soldiers don’t wield much more influence in the city. Slave-soldier forces (like the Mamluks and Janissaries) consistently tend to eventually end up being major power players in the societies they ostensibly serve, often dominating them in effect if not de jure.

    • thatrabidpotato says:

      The Volantene plotline is just beginning to get fleshed out, and whenever Winds finally releases, I would not be surprised to see the slave soldiers prove a key factor in giving the city to Dany.

    • 7. I wouldn’t be surprised if the tigers had been used in previous coups, such as Triarch Honorro’s attempt to make himself triarch-for-life.

  2. Murc says:

    You know. I don’t want to impugn the character of the Anon who asked the question about Dorne. But while I’ve only been in the ASOIAF tumblr fandom for a relatively short period of time, I’ve been in the wider fandom for fifteen years.

    And fuck me, this fandom has a ton of people who are quick to go “Why not genocide? Why wasn’t that tried? Why didn’t they make a literal hill of skulls and declare victory?” Like, not even advocating it, just wondering in a genuinely puzzled “this seems like it would work, so why didn’t more people do it?” way.

    The logistics of genocide or ethnic cleansing in a society that isn’t capable of industrializing or militarizing the process in the way a modern state can aside, it’s always been vaguely troubling to me. Am I just weird here?

    • It happens way more than it should, due to the way that Tywin has been weirdly lionized by the fandom.

      • David Hunt says:

        I suspect another part is that many readers and show watchers seem to think that GRRM is trying to make the point that the world is Hobbsian in the extreme and anything but the most cynical, self-serving actions will backfire and punish the person showing any scrap of honor, mercy, kindness, etc. I’m not saying the Dornish Genocide asker is one of these people and I presume they were simply trying to come up with an actual wining strategy for long-term victory in Dorne..

      • Grant says:

        I’d say there are four things causing it.

        1. There’s something in us that just wants to force people to do what we want because we see ourselves as good and seeing how the world should be, so other people shouldn’t have a choice.

        2. We see in ASOIAF a world where everyone’s fighting so often, so you get the sense that the good characters should just go for the throat already and kill their enemies off.

        3. There’s sort of an Evil is Cool image that go so far that you forget that someone is supposed to be a villain.

        4. Charles Dance has such charisma and obvious dominance that, along with some of the show’s writing, the audience just feels like his side has more weight because he has such appeal.

        • Crystal says:

          IAWTC, especially the Charles Dance factor. While I roll my eyes at so much of the GoT show plot misfires (especially Sansa marrying Ramsay. Really, D&D?) the *casting* has been off-the-charts superb for the most part (with a couple of exceptions, I’m looking at you, Tobias Menzies). Tywin is a world-class jerk, a bad father, and not even really *that* smart/clever, but Charles Dance gives him a certain appeal and charisma. And likewise, Tyrion Lannister is supposed to be outright grotesque looking in the books, but Peter Dinklage (again a great casting decision) is good-looking and charming.

    • Trevor says:


      I’ve been wondering recently at the effect that the delayed release of Winds of Winter has had on the fandom. In some ways, I think that with the lack of new stimulation (in the form of a new book to discuss), fans have become rather like children left alone in a room: prone to acting out in inappropriate ways (in this case asking the phenomenally stupid question: why not genocide?). I don’t know that this kind of thing happens with a new book to discuss and new angles to explore. But when you’ve almost exhaustively explored the world, it seems like more and more obscure and nonsensical things are brought up.

      • Murc says:

        This isn’t a new phenomenon, tho. This goes back, at least in my experience, at least fifteen years. I remember vigorous “Why doesn’t Daenerys just murder everyone?” question-asking from 2003-2004.

      • thatrabidpotato says:

        It’s been like that for a while, and I agree. The truly crazy conspiracy theories only start to show up when everything remotely logical has been done to death. In this case, we passed that threshold about three years or so ago. It’s not going to change until Martin finally gets off his butt and releases Winds.

        • Murc says:

          Eh. Winds is taking about as long as is logical.

          My completely unjustified by anything other than mere coincidence formula for this is “time it took to produce last novel plus one year.”

          SOS -> FfC = 5 years
          FfC -> DWD = 6 years.

          So I’m predicting next year for Winds (DWD -> WW = 7 years) and then 2026 for Dream of Spring (WW -> DoS = 8 years.)

          Watch Martin fuck it all up for me by releasing in time for Christmas, tho.

      • Trevor says:

        2003-2004 still fits the general pattern though. At that point it had been 3-4 years without a new book and so I’m sure people had settled into a place where everything had been done to death (as rabid potato says) and so “Why not kill everyone?” questions come up.

        And in the Dany case, I feel like we’ve all been waiting for her to come back over the Narrow Sea with her dragons since basically the dragons were born. So I ready “why doesn’t Dany kill everyone in Essos?” comments as mostly, “Can we just speed up that whole storyline?” instead of genuine puzzlement about why no one thought to commit genocide.

        But yeah, I think the ruthless reputation of the conquerors of the distant past and the seeming efficacy of Tywin’s strategy does feed the fandom’s lust for blood. Like the Jon Connington/eldritch apocalypse stuff leads the fandom to go in for mega conspiracy theories that there’s a way deeper plot at work that the first 5! books of the series has only briefly touched on.

        It’s a fun fandom, but man, don’t let us get too bored.

  3. Keith B says:

    There may be more of a jousting tradition in the North than the WOIAF suggests. Wyman Manderly tells Davos that he used to ride a horse and even “won some small acclaim in the lists.” Arya remembers that Harwin used to “ride at quintain with Jon and Robb.” Jory Cassel did fairly well in the tournament, and he was only one of three who thought they were good enough to compete. So it’s definitely a thing. Lack of Northern participation in the Hand’s tournament must have been due to the short notice and the distances involved, not to lack of interest.

    • David Hunt says:

      Wyman’s House keeps a knightly tradition so he probably went to more trouble to travel to tourneys. Riding at quintain is, I think, a standard exercise for training with a lance, which highborn Northern Warriors will train in for its practical use in battle as well as any use at jousting. Jory is the highborn and the head of Eddard’s men. He had certainly trained for war as heavy cavalry under Ser Rodrik’s teaching.

      All that said, I’m sure there are tourneys in the North that include jousting. Just less of them than south of the Neck.

      • Keith B says:

        Since Harwin participated in the tournament, it wasn’t only training for battle. Of course jousting was intended as a test of one’s skills as a heavy cavalryman, so the two would be nearly the same thing. Harwin wasn’t highborn, but if he had a suit of armor for jousting, he probably would have been in the heavy cavalry as well.

        • David Hunt says:

          Yes. As I said, I expected there were tourneys in the North. Just less of them. I also note than an early AGOT Jon chapter has Jon thinking to himself that Robb was a better lance than Jon, but Jon was the better swordsman. So the Stark boys absolutely got lance and jousting training.

          • Hedrigal says:

            I mean, the point is that training with a lance in no way implies necessarily that jousting is done regularly. Although it seems more likely the younger generation of Starks were more into it than normal because their mother was southron, and there are an inordinate number of knights running around due to the Greyjoy Rebellion.

          • David Hunt says:

            @Hedrigal. I assumed that there’s a certain amount of :jousting going on, especially if “jousting” is defined as “two guys going at each other with lances on horseback.” That is, I expect that they sometimes practice against each other as opposed to stationary targets and quintains. I admit that I know little about how lances were practiced with and regularly riding at each other may have been considered too dangerous to do regularly outside of warfare and tourneys. Also, I don’t know how expensive all the lances they’d break would be.

            Does anyone know?

    • Quintain is used for lance training regardless of whether it’s for jousting or combat, so I wouldn’t take that as dispositive.

      If there’s going to be jousting anywhere in the North, I imagine at White Harbor.

  4. Sean C. says:

    I wouldn’t call Wonder Woman “a historical fact” in the DCEU, since clearly her existence remained unknown. And, in truth, while there were witnesses, with no real proof of what happened it would probably go down as a freak event that people who weren’t there would assume to be a confused account. It’s not like comic book universes aren’t full of such occurrences in their histories.

    The bigger issue I have with the end of WW from a continuity standpoint is that it really doesn’t line up with what Diana said in Batman v Superman about her wartime experience. Instead of “walking away from mankind”, she affirms that she believes mankind is worth saving, and then…nothing until Doomsday. As it stands, the film offers no reason why she would basically sit out the next century.

    • David Hunt says:

      That could be a problem. I presumed that she decided that she couldn’t stop all war and human suffering by simply killing the right person (or god) and that her efforts afterwards were more subdued and attempts to directly aid people as opposed to kicking ass in a bright costume.

      That’s a loss as Diana could be in DCEU what Superman should have been. In her single public WWI appearance we see her acting as beacon of hope and inspiration to everyone around her. So I conclude that she decided to be a support for humanity without seeking any glory because I refuse to believe that she’d fail if she made a conscious effort to be an inspiration.

    • Murc says:

      What I want to know is what happened to Germany in the interwar period in the DC Murderverse.

      Erich Ludendorff assassinating the entire German General Staff before dying of sword-wounds under mysterious circumstances just a few days before the Armistice? That would have seriously changed the course of German history! I mean, killing Hindenburg alone… the man was President of Germany and is the one who appointed Hitler Chancellor. Many if not most of the rest of the General Staff were heavily involved in German politics and had great influence on the shape and structure of the Weimar Republic.

      Such an enormous scandal and debacle (there’s a very good chance that the German army simply implodes after being decapitated like that) would also have had a big, big impact on the negotiation of the Treaty of Versailles.

      I wanna know how all that alternate history went down.

      • Yeah, Ludendorff dying in 1918, especially dying having committed treason in an attempt to undermine the Armistice, would cause a huge change in Weimar politics. Significant backlash against miitarism and the big generals at the very least, I would think.

        • Murc says:

          You know, because of WW, I’ve been looking up some stuff about Ludendorff… and I feel lied to.

          I have two or three history books that talk about Ludendorff’s involvement with the Beer Hall Putsch, and they all take the line of “While the Nazis were getting shot at, Ludendorff walked to the police lines, and they parted before him and he continued on his way, out of history.”

          And it’s like… that didn’t happen. Ludendorff was arrested. He was sent home and then acquitted, but he was charged. Then he served four years in the Reichstag, and if he wasn’t formally a Nazi at that time he was Nazi-adjacent. He deliberately undermined and fucked with Hindenburg’s presidency out of sheet spite.

          And it’s like, shame on you, Robert Leckie. You should know better. I know you were kinda racist and had a real tendency to focus on a good narrative over strict historicity, but come on dude.

      • fjallstrom says:

        I would guess that they would want world war two to happen pretty much as in our history.

        To get there, they could make 1918-1925 pretty much as in our timeline. The Freikorps defeat the Red Guards, Weimar constitution, hyper inflation etc.

        In 1925, either have Jarres (the DNVP candidate that finished the first round in first place) win, and then basically play Hindenburg’s role or have Jarres lose to the candidate of the Centre or SPD. Then Marx (Centre) or Braun (SPD) could lose to Hitler in the 1932 presidential election, which would be close enough to our timeline to be workable.

        That is, assuming DC cares about Weimar politics šŸ™‚

      • Without Hindenburg to take his obstructive ‘Wilhelm or Nothing!’ stance, Chancellor Bruening restores the monarchy under Prince Louis Ferdinand, grandson of Wilhelm II. Kaiser Louis (would he style himself something less French) rallies the forces of the military and the Prussian aristocracy to defeat the Nazis; Germany becomes a constitutional monarchy.

        With the Second World War butterflied away, fascism in Italy survives much longer than in OTL. Mussolini creates a new Roman Empire in the balkans and anatolia. After his death in the 1970s, a gradual process of reform and decolonisation begins.

        The Soviet Union goes from strength to strength as it is spared the massive loss of blood and treasure caused by the war. Stalin remains ever opportunistic, and makes small gains in Poland, Romania and northern Turkey.

        FDR is defeated in 1940 as the voters reject his unprecedented bid for a third term. Wendell Wilkie largely continues the keynesian policies of the new deal but amends the constitution so that no one can serve more than two terms. US foreign policy remains isolationist.

        The suffering of China is prolonged, but by the mid to late 1940s the economy of Japan has collapsed and their empire-building with it.

        The colonial empires of Britain and France endure much longer than OTL, and the wars of liberation are both bloodier and marked by much greater cruelty on the part of the retreating colonial powers. And that is why Wonder Woman walked away from humanity.

        • Sean C. says:

          FDR is defeated in 1940 as the voters reject his unprecedented bid for a third term.

          Roosevelt only sought a third term because of the war in Europe. Up until that point he had been making retirement plans.

        • fjalllstrom says:

          Nice world history nd good tie-in to Wonder Woman.

          However, I don’t think Bruning restoring the Hohenzollers makes sense in the scenario. In OTL it was an attempt to prevent Hitler winning the 1932 election, in particular if Hindenburg did not run again due to his age and health. Remove Hindenburg, and you don’t have the problem Bruning tried to solve.

          Also, a restoration of the Hohenzollers does nothing to alleviate the very acute economic problems facing Germany as a result of war reparations and the austerity politics of Bruning. And, if you have the army still scting as a state-within-the-state, then the army is still preparing for a new war.

          I think if one is to seriously ponder where Germany would have gone in this scenario, then one has to start in 1918. With the general staff blown up and the army discredited, what happens in December? In OTL the Red Guards start what is interpreted as a coup attempt, the Ebert government does a deal with the army, the army leads the Freicorps to victory. In exchange the old Imperial army essentially stays as a state within the state, without any eaningful civilian control. Now, in this timeline either the Red Guards win and you have Communist Germany in 1918 or the Ebert government does the same deal leading to eventual dictatorship of either the army or the Nazis, in both cases leading to a world war two, or the Ebert government has already replaced the Imperial army with a Republican army (as there was plans to do) in which case the republic ahs a shot at survival.

    • I’m saying that I have a problem with her existence remaining unknown, because there would have been hundreds and hundreds of witnesses to her actions.

      My guess is that Wonder Woman 2 will contradict BvSDoJ in terms of “walking away from mankind.”

      • Murc says:

        They’re apparently already doing Justice League re-shoots to put in more Wonder Woman.

        DC appears to be very light on their feet with this kind of things. They did a lot of re-shoots for Suicide Squad after Deadpool came out, and the part of the move most heavily affected by that (the first third or so) was in my opinion the best part of Suicide Squad.

        (I spent the first act of Suicide Squad going “oh man, this is actually real good!” and the second act going “… okay” and the third going “oh god dammit.”)

        I would much rather they get this stuff right the first time, and chasing success is rarely a good idea, but at least they’re demonstrating a capacity for learning and adapting.

      • Sean C. says:

        WW2 is evidently going to be set in the present, per some of Jenkins’ statements, so most likely they’re not going to address it.

      • Having just seen the film, Wonder Woman already contradicts BvSDoJ; yes, she says she’s given up on saving the world but there’s a lot of clear blue water between that and ‘walking away from mankind’, which sounds a lot more cynical than where she actually ends up by war’s end.

  5. fjallstrom says:

    So that’sā€‹ why it’s a _lasso_ of truth. That one had struck me as odd, but makes perfect sense now. Thanks.

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