RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup

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Hey folks! Part I of the Reach is done, and I’m hard at work on Part II, grappling with the many Garths, Gwaynes, Gyles, Garlands, and Gareths – and those rare Gardeners who were somehow allowed first names not beginning in G. I’m also beginning work on Arya II, which is a hell of a chapter and I can’t wait to share it with you.

In the mean-time, we have the Tumblrs:

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14 thoughts on “RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup

  1. Sean C. says:

    In a lot of ways I’d say the Wildlings have an overly dense population for the sort of land they inhabit. Mance’s 100,000 person horde is significantly larger than the entire modern Inuit population of the Canadian Arctic territories, which are much larger (and large numbers of whom survive mostly on fish and marine mammals, which the Wildlings don’t seem to).

    • thatrabidpotato says:

      Is North of the Wall really comparable to the Far North of Canada? One might instead compare it to Lower Canada, or Sweden/Finland.

      • I don’t think we see any agriculture or any mentioned so even if it’s more temperate than N Canada it’s still too dense.

        • Hedrigal says:

          We only ever see them in immediately pre-winter/winter conditions, but we can assume they grow crops from the fact they have permanent villages and keep pasture animals.

          • Keith B says:

            Craster raised sheep, pigs and rabbits, grew vegetables (the book mentioned carrots) and had apple trees. Apparently he brewed his own beer too. Granted he was farther south than most of the others, but at least there’s some agriculture going on.

        • thatrabidpotato says:

          Yes we do hear agriculture mentioned, as Steven himself has pointed out. In ADWD Prologue, Varamyr mentions how villages did him homage in bread and salt and cider, and gave him the pick of their orchards. In addition, Craster kept livestock including pigs and orchards at his house. There’s plenty of evidence of settled civilization and agriculture north of the wall, albeit not on a very large scale.

      • Brett says:

        If it was more like Lower Canada, we’d probably see more cultivation of wheat and other crops. The crops we do see are the kind that can grow in northern Canada and central Alaska. Barley (the beer and possibly bread), vegetables (which can be grown in places like Greenland as well), and apples. Cold-hardy stuff.

  2. Brett says:

    I’d only expect more people beyond the Wall if the fishing in the Bay of Seals and north of Storrolds Point was amazing . Otherwise the whole place is more or less sub-arctic. Adam Whitehead did some good map attempts on Westeros and ended up placing the Arctic Circle close to where the Wall is in latitude on Planetos. It’s cold with a short growing season, outside of sheltered areas (which might include the Haunted Forest in general, given that the land west of the Frostfangs is frozen tundra and ice sheets at the same latitude).

    I’ve always thought that the magical messed up Winter-Summer cycle must be magically preserving the plant life in Winters. Trees should not be surviving in the Haunted Forest, much less deciduous trees with leaves.

    Summer Islanders are awesome. What’s their biggest flaw, being stingy with their maps of Sothoryos?

    • Hedrigal says:

      Ecological devastation as a consequence of their presence on islands the islands might be a big one. This happened nigh on constantly in Polynesian island communities. Otherwise theres a concern about whether or not they’re actuallya ll that technologically or economically advanced, I worry about their futures if they are primarilly exporters of rare agricultural commodities rather than actually having much capacity to manufacture and make advanced stuff beyond their highly specialized ships and bows. Uneven development between Essos and the Summer Islands could easily push the Islands into a subordinate position to the mainland and some kind of colonial exploitation.

  3. Crystal says:

    As far as a potential Renly Ottoman-style succession plan is concerned:

    – First of all, there is the Westerosi taboo against kinslaying: something even *Roose Bolton* feels obliged to give lip service to. (Roose wanted to execute Ramsay for poisoning his legitimate son Domeric, but tells Theon that the taboo against kinslaying stayed his hand. Granted, Theon is not a reliable narrator, but given that this is ROOSE BOLTON invoking the kinslaying taboo, I’d say it’s serious business.) Maaayyyybe kinslaying would be a privilege of the royal family like incest for the Targs, but I can’t see a lot of people being thrilled that the royal family is a bunch of kinslayers. Especially the more honor and/or faith-bound lords in the North and Vale.

    – It’s bad for family unity – it sure sucks for the murdered princes, but it’s isolating and paranoia-inducing for the survivors. I think that would weaken the royal family and might give an opportunity for a more cohesive, non-taboo-breaking dynasty to overthrow them.

    – Eventually a more humane(ish) system was put into place where the sultan would just imprison (in luxury, but still, closely confine) rival princes. Since sultans sometimes died without surviving sons, and/or regarded sons as rivals and confined them, there were several inept at best, mentally ill and incapable at worst, sultans on the Ottoman throne, because there is nothing like being confined for twenty-odd years to make one a terrible ruler.

    I don’t think Renly was consciously putting in such a system. I think Renly was just thinking of what was good for Renly, and NOT caring about the consequences of what he was doing. He probably was being manipulated by the Tyrells to a greater or lesser extent, but mostly “I’m good looking, I’m smart, and dammit, people like me. That means I’d be a great king!”

    • Jim B says:

      I’m not sure what incentive Roose would have to lie in that scene, but it sounds like some rationalization to me rather than a sincere description of his reasoning. Surely the prohibition on kinslaying doesn’t prevent a lord from doing his duty to punish murderers (and kinslayers at that). And even if Roose was genuinely concerned about that, he could have offered Ramsay the chance to take the black (now there’s an what-if for you — imagine the havoc Ramsay would wreak among the Night’s Watch), or referred the matter to the Starks.

      I’ve always assumed that Roose just figured that even a crazy murderous kinslaying bastard heir was better than no heir at all.

      • Space Oddity says:

        Hell, in his own twisted way, Roose seems to… well, not love Ramsay, nor respect him exactly, but, well, seem him as a fitting heir to his legacy. Oh, he might prefer a not-crazy trueborn son, and he’s probably prepared to kill the Bastard of Dreadfort if it comes down to that, but on some strange level, he looks at that ugly murderous boy of his and it feels right. He can accept this being the Bolton who comes after him, and possibly the culmination of the countless Boltons who preceded him.

  4. Murc says:

    I still think I’m right about Edmure. (I am @opinions-about-tiaras on tumblr. Shut up. It’s an awesome handle.)

    • fjallstrom says:

      I think you’re both right in part.

      I think Edmure exceeded his orders. I also think Robb made a huge blunder in not giving anyone overall command in the Riverlands and an insight in his grand strategy when he went west. So when Robb is dissing Edmure, Robb is right in that Edmure exceeded his orders, but as overall commander Robb is to blame for the lack of overall command structure. And Robb might be blaming himself a bit there too, I at least got that feeling.

      Or maybe I just headcanon that in to fill the Doylist level of mistake that the overall commander doesn’t appoint a theater commander before going of to fight in another country and nobody reacts.

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