RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!

book2

Hello folks, it’s that time of the week again. Work has begun on Catelyn I, although that probably won’t be finished this week. Still having some problems with the podcast, unfortunately. So what do we have on the Tumblrs instead?

Advertisements

13 thoughts on “RFTIT Tumblr Weekly Roundup!

  1. Grant says:

    So you believe that Varys did get Aegon out and believes that Aegon is the boy that has brought the Gold Company back to Westeros? I thought that his speech to Kevan at the end was him being disciplined, even in private.

    • That is my belief, yes.

      • Grant says:

        What happened to Aegon then? Murdered by Illyrio so that there wouldn’t be any inconvenient children with distinctive Targaryen traits showing up?

        • Either killed or otherwise gotten rid of so that Illyrio could replace him with Sera’s child.

        • David Hunt says:

          If Illyrio was feeling particularly nostalgic for his friendship with Varys, I’d expect that there’s lots of boys with typical Valyrian features working in Lyseen pleasure houses. Otherwise, bury the body on his estate and plant a nice tree over it.

      • I disagree. Varys didn’t get Aegon out of King’s Landing, and Varys knows very well that this Aegon is fake. The story about the baby swap is incredibly convoluted and unbelievable, which is the best argument against Aegon being real. That story requires a bunch of things such as, Varys being psychic and able to predict that the Mountain would smash Aegon’s head against the wall and made him unrecognizable (the entire supposed “plan” would have fallen apart if Aegon had been killed by Amory Lorch instead, who would have probably stabbed him, as he did Rhaenys), Varys taking opportunity to save just Aegon but not Rhaenys as well, and Elia agreeing to that (even though I’m sure it would be far easier to find a dark haired girl in Westeros than a silver haired, purple eyed infant – on the other hand, Essos, especially Lys is full of the latter, and there’s no way that racist Aerys would be spending a lot of time around Rhaenys anyway), Elia choosing to be with with someone else’s child rather than her own daughter in the crucial moments. not to mention the dangling “so where’s the real Aegon?” question.

        Occam’s Razor says that there was never a baby swap, Aegon was killed by the Mountain, and Varys made up the story afterwards, when he knew how Aegon was killed and what his dead body looked like. That’s the version that makes most sense and has no plot holes.

        I’ve never understood the reasons why the double swap theory exists. It has the distintion of being even more convoluted and unbelievable than the real Aegon theory. (How could Ilyrio even fool Varys, if Varys had saved Aegon? Varys would have known what Aegon looked like. No, infants don’t all look the same. And Varys would have been paying attention.) And what would be the point, anyway? What is there that needs to be explained with that theory? Varys is certainly capable of deceiving people. And if Varys is such a friend of Targaryens, why was he OK with assassinating Dany?

        • Keith B says:

          Excellent points, all. The whole idea of a swap is that Varys needed not only to rescue Aegon, but to convince everyone he was dead. So when would he have decided to do this? If it was after Tywin had started sacking the city, it doesn’t leave him much time to find an appropriate substitute and get the real Aegon to safety. If it was before, how could he have known that Tywin would get there first?

          As for the second swap, why would Illyrio have needed to fool Varys? Even if Varys really is acting from the high-minded and unselfish, though ruthlessly utilitarian, view that the answer to Westeros’s problems is a carefully trained Prince, Illyrio’s son is just as good a choice as Aegon himself. Varys has no family and will never have children, so preserving his legacy vicariously through his life-long best friend could be his best available choice.

          Tyrion is immediately suspicious of Illyrio’s motives because of his excessive affection for Aegon. How could Illyrio hope to fool his best friend over the course of fifteen years? Did Varys not know that Illyrio had a son? Was Varys completely oblivious to Illyrio’s feelings for Aegon?

          Then there’s the Golden Company. Tyrion seems doubtful about Illyrio’s explanation of why the Golden Company, which has been fighting the Targaryens for 100 years, would suddenly start supporting a Targaryen claimant. He’s probably right. Most likely Harry Strickland knows who Aegon is, even if Jon Connington does not. The Golden Company broke a contract, which they’d never before done, just to aid a Targaryen. If Tyrion wonders why they would do that, Varys should too.

          If we take Varys’ speech to Kevan at face value, we have to believe that Varys, the former mummer, former thief, and life-long best friend of the very self-centered and unscrupulous Illyrio, is actually motivated by some highly idealistic principle of good government. If so, he’d be the only one. Wouldn’t that call for some kind of explanation? How did we get this unique and special flower growing in the sewage of Westerosi politics?

          We don’t have a POV that could tell us, so we probably won’t find out the truth for sure. But theories that require Varys to have God-like powers of foresight on the one hand, combined with complete blindness to obvious clues on the other, are not probable.

          I do have one quibble. I don’t believe Varys was sincerely on board with killing Daenerys. After his conversation with Illyrio the day before, he manipulated Robert into ordering the assassination, knowing that he could cause it to fail, thus provoking Khal Drogo into invading Westeros.

        • I don’t think it’s convoluted or unbelievable at all – look at what Larys Strong did with Aegon II, or Varys did with Gendry, or what happened to Arya.

          • Keith B says:

            None of those required advance knowledge of events that were impossible to predict. Nobody could have known beforehand that Aegon’s body would be mutilated beyond recognition. Also I believe that ttbunny’s point that Elia was with Aegon is very significant. Why would she be with an infant who meant nothing to her when she could have stayed with her own daughter?

            It’s much more reasonable to believe that Illyrio and Varys took advantage of the situation after the fact. Knowing that no positive identification of Aegon was made, and that Illyrio had a son (probably born shortly before Serra died) who resembled a Targaryen, they decided to prepare him as their own pretender.

            Varys supported the plot because he was unable to have children of his own, and Illyrio was his protector and patron — almost a brother.

            Other than his speech to Kevan, is there any reason at all to think that Varys believed his Aegon was the “real” Aegon? As I recall, Varys only says he’s Aegon; he never actually claims he’s Rhaegar’s son. Kevan only assumes that.

            We don’t need theories about hidden princes and triple-crosses. There wasn’t a second swap because there never was a first. Gregor Clegane killed the real Aegon, and Varys knows exactly who the pretender is.

  2. djinn says:

    Wouldn’t you consider more feasable the partition aproach if applied to the Reach(across the Mander)?

  3. bookworm1398 says:

    Why would Illyrio give a five year old he deeply loved to Jon Connington to raise in poverty (relatively speaking) when he could have him living with himself in luxury? The small chance of a throne accompanied by a high risk of dying while pursuing it doesn’t seem worth it.

    • I don’t think he thought it was a small chance.

      Counter-question: if the boy wasn’t someone special to Illyrio, why would he be so sad about not getting to see him?

      • How are these similar to Varys’ story? These are just instances of people escaping/being smuggled out of a city. None of these involved baby swaps, double baby swaps, passing one person as another and completely fooling those who have seen that person up closee and paid attention to them, a mother not asking for both of her children to be saved even though that’s perfectly possible and then being closer to a stranger’s child than her own, or anyone being psychic and predicting that an impostor’s head will be smashed by a bad guy not in their employ, in such a way to make the impostor’s face unrecognizable.

Leave a Reply

Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in:

WordPress.com Logo

You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. Log Out / Change )

Twitter picture

You are commenting using your Twitter account. Log Out / Change )

Facebook photo

You are commenting using your Facebook account. Log Out / Change )

Google+ photo

You are commenting using your Google+ account. Log Out / Change )

Connecting to %s

%d bloggers like this: