RFTIT Weekly Tumblr Roundup and Site Update

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Hey folks! It’s that time of the week again, but I also wanted to take this opportunity to talk about the upcoming season of Game of Thrones. So here’s the deal: the regular podcast with Scott will be coming back, and hopefully I’ll be covering the show for a regular publication as with last season.

However, in deference to those folks who will be avoiding Season 6 due to fear of spoilers from the book, I will also be tagging those posts with Season 6 so that you can skip or block those posts, and I will be using only generic images so that you won’t be spoiled by seeing a photo of something from this season.

With that out of the way, what do we have in the Tumblrs?

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22 thoughts on “RFTIT Weekly Tumblr Roundup and Site Update

  1. Grant says:

    The only way the I could possibly see combining the Faith Militant and regular army working at all would be if the government was a theocracy, ruled by the priests (and then I’m sure the priests would be working on weakening the nobles and insisting every soldier must learn at a sept).

    Incidentally I’m not sure nationalism is always the right description of the politics, but it’s probably the best we have at the moment.

  2. Steven Xue says:

    One thing about the Red Wedding at least from the Lannister’s side is shouldn’t they at least have plausible deniability of it? I mean even though Tywin was the one who sanctioned it, he did so clandestinely without it becoming public knowledge. Surely most people must believe that the Freys did it on their own accord and while they had the Lannister’s blessing afterwards, there’s really no indication that the Lannisters had a hand in it (at least that’s their official position). Even now when people think of the Red Wedding they point their fingers at the Freys rather than the Lannisters who although tolerate this egregious offense are not complicit.

    • Jim B says:

      The Lannisters have rewarded the Freys after the fact, most notably with Riverrun, as well as multiple intermarriages between Freys and Lannisters.

      So even the most naive Westerosi would see the Lannisters warmly embracing a House that everyone else holds in contempt for the Red Wedding. The less naive will have figured out that it was a prearranged thing.

    • Well, they like to think they do, but the problem is that people are already willing to believe the worst about the Lannisters, so they don’t need much in the way of proof.

  3. Jim B says:

    Regarding how the Night’s Watch gets maesters: you would think that at some point in the last 90 years or so, a maester would have committed some offense that would justify sending him to the Wall. It would seem that the Citadel prefers to handle discipline in its own way, Qyburn being an example.

    • Steven Xue says:

      Well I always thought people saw the Lannister’s protection of the Freys as keeping to their old bluster of “paying their debts”. I mean even though their methods were questionable, they still did do them a huge favor by crushing the main opposition to their rule. But also I feel that Tywin now had no choice but to protect the Freys as he had left traces of his involvement in the plot through ravenmail. I guess he had no other option but to correspond with Walder this way, but there’s no doubt Walder has kept the letters Tywin sent as leverage in case he ever does try to doublecross him. So even if Tywin had wanted to make an example of the Freys to appease the people, he wouldn’t be able to do it without incriminating himself and his family of RW.

      I had always thought that the Citadel never had an easy time sending one of their own to the Watch. I doubt many would be too enthusiastic about getting assigned for life to what is considered the most unpleasant place in the world, to service the likes of rapers and murderers. I always thought they would have to draw straws or pick a name out of the hat to determine who gets sent to the Wall. But I suppose the more sense thing would be to conscript a disgraced member or one who has been indicted for a crime.

      • That’s the problem, they’re admitting they owe the Frey’s a debt. After all Tywin didn’t feel the need to reward the Iron Born.

      • Jim B says:

        Steven, I agree that, having plotted the RW, Tywin couldn’t then double-cross the Freys without being exposed by them, in which case he still takes the hit for conspiring to violate guest right AND shows that a Lannister doesn’t pay his debts.

        But, as Milk Steak says, that still means that Tywin has to tacitly admit his involvement — which is something he did or should have known in advance.

        • Steven Xue says:

          Yep one thing Tywin shouldn’t have overlooked was finding a way to communicate with his patsies without it leading back to him. And yet despite this fatal flaw in his plan, he takes pride in defeating Robb with ‘ravens and quills’. I know at times the pen can be mightier than the sword but in Tywin’s case it has become a double edged sword.

          • Haplo-6 says:

            All good points. It seems to me that it came down to Tywin not having much of a choice in how he worked against King Robb. He was getting his ass handed to him by the Young Wolf; the Westerlands were invaded, King’s Landing about to be sacked. Without Walder and Roos being despicable traitors, the Lannister were in serious threat of being destroyed.

  4. Winnief says:

    Also on the topic of the Lannisters and the RW, House Lannister has now opened the door to someone violating the rules of guest right on “them.” since they’ve proven they don’t honor that code. (Something I’m pretty sure Tywin would have been most affronted by.) Moreover, now that it’s been established that the Lions will violate even the oldest taboos in Westeros to get what they want it makes it difficult if not impossible for anyone to trust them on ANYTHING. You’d be crazy to think they’d keep their word on safe conduct rules, and that can bite them on the ass later too.

    And as Steve said, they’ve now made themselves more hated than feared. The thing about the RW, is that it didn’t just inspire horror-it inspired *contempt*=-and it’s not just contempt of House Frey, as Jaime so painfully realized in AFFC. People now consider the Lannister’s on par with their weasel like allies and despise them just as much.

    • Jim B says:

      Consider how much mileage Tyrion has got out of the “a Lannister always pays his debts” thing; it’ll be hard for any Lannister to get anywhere with that slogan now. It takes generations to build up a reputation like that, but only a single act to demolish act.

      Tywin was well aware of reputational concerns: wasn’t he the one who told Joffrey about extending a hand to your enemies when they kneel before you, or else no one will ever kneel to you in the future? So what happened here — did Tywin think that House Lannister could escape blame for the RW, did he think it was a price worth paying, or did he view the situation as that desperate?

      • David Hunt says:

        Reputation can be salvaged after an affront…if it’s punished. If House Lannister went out of it’s way to make sure that they paid off a reneged debt from a member (other than Tywin) and maybe publicly sanctioned the offender in some way, their rep could be salvaged.

        As to what Tywin was thinking…I don’t know. My best guess is that he was full of himself and thought that House Lannister was far above even the other Great Houses of Westeros (now that the Dragons were gong) and that normal rules didn’t apply to them anymore. In short, he was trying to build up the godlike mystique that the Targs enjoyed that let them just ignore certain mores that the rest of Westeros couldn’t dream of flouting.

        • Space Oddity says:

          Tywin knows things intellectually that emotionally he doesn’t accept. He may understand the importance of mercy and forgiveness from a purely rational level, but at heart, he’s a sadistic monster who thinks gang-rapes and mass murder are perfectly acceptable weapons.

        • Grant says:

          They were planning on using the looming Frey civil war to blame the losing parties for it and put them on trial. It’s just that events passed it by well before it would have done any good.

          And their actions might have worked, we have examples of horrific things being done by governments to their enemies throughout history without leading to their collapse. The problem is that the Red Wedding wasn’t the final piece of violence that saw the end of the war, but more the end of the first phase of the war. The Lannisters don’t really have much time to stabilize the dynasty and their best leaders working to settle things have either been murdered or pushed away by Cersei.

          • thatrabidpotato says:

            “This is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. It is, however, the end of the beginning.”- Winston Churchill, 1942.

  5. Winnief says:

    When can we expect the pleasure of an analysis of “The Red Woman” from you Steve? Either a Salon essay or your one of your dialogues with SEK?

  6. Jack Olohan says:

    hey steve, are you doing your LGM GOT Podcast again this year? im a big fan of them jack.olohan@radiomade.ie

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