And we’re back!
There will be three episodes this week as we close out Season 2 and wait impatiently for Season 5, btw.
Great as always Steve, but a few quibbles….
-Theon has the ravens killed at the beginning of the episode, but it’s still possible he sent a raven off just before announcing the deaths of Bran and Rickon so that whole thing doesn’t bother me as much as you.
-I know you hated that they waited so long to tell Davos and Stannis’s backstory but me and a lot of other viewerdom thought that was one of the best scenes of season 2. Also, I think people do still grasp the concept of Davos as a self-made man and how unusual that is in Westeros.
-Arya’s wanting to escape Harrenhaal right then made sense to me because…its Harrenhaal. If she can’t get Tywin killed and stop the war then at least get herself and her friends out of that hellhole that’s now going to be under Clegane’s management. Shudder.
-I actually think that Cersei is quite consistent on the show of knowing full well her son is awful but she doesn’t like to admit it aloud and moreover however awful Joffrey is she’s completely devoted to him anyway hence her fury at Tyrion ‘endangering’ him by insisting he be at the battle. Cersei being Cersei doesn’t understand how it’s actually even more dangerous for Joffrey for him *not* to be seen leading the fight.
Other than that I mostly agree with your comments. LOVED Gemma and Alfie together, and I agree that having Cat release Jaime/and Robb’s elopement with Talisa both happening *after* they heard the bad news from Winterfell would have worked a lot better. I do like the way they set up even then Varys/Tyrion in consult together about the dragons. Also agree that Dany’s whole story arc in season 2 was a waste of screen time. Tell the truth she’s never my favorite part of the show even when she’s being done right.
1. As mentioned below, that was explicitly foreclosed by the show.
2. I think the backstory of Davos got across, it’s more I have a quibble about when they chose to tell it.
Asha: “When Robb Stark finds out…”
Theon: “He won’t find out. We killed all the ravens.”
Ah, my bad then.
I didn’t believe that bran & rickon were dead as a non book reader at the time,my 1st thoughts were “its the orphan boys from episode 1”
True, but for the record finding out they were alive wasn’t exactly a big surprise in the books either. It was just so obvious that Bran’s storyline (unlike poor Ned’s) wasn’t yet finished.
Once we a solid release date for TWOW i’ll have to go through the novels all again,my memory is a jumble of book & show…aargh!
I did, in no small part because POV characters almost never die in their own chapters. Ned didn’t die in a Ned chapter, for example.
This discussion in full can be saved for the eventual Blackwater chapter analyses, but for the record, I’m on the Imry Florent defence squad. He didn’t do anything wrong, and none of the things he disagrees with Davos on would have altered the outcome — as well, some of Davos’ advice is downright nonsensical.
“First we ate the horses. We weren’t riding anywhere, not with the castle surrounded. We couldn’t feed them. So, fine, the horses. Then the cats – never liked cats, so, fine. I do like dogs, good animals, loyal, but we ate them. Then the rats.”
That’s quite possibly my favourite show-only dialogue.
Regarding the fakeout deaths of Bran and Rickon, I don’t think there was ever any way that was going to work on the show. The simple fact is that Bran and Rickon are nowhere near Theon when he supposedly kills them, and while their deaths seem plausible in the books because of how the POVs work (and GRRM’s willingness to have significant stuff like that occur quasi-offscreen), that’s just not something that anyone who’s ever watched TV would believe would happen. Characters like Bran and Rickon can only die onscreen.
Yeah, I loved that speech too Sean. And wouldn’t you just *know* Stannis would be a dog person rather than a cat person?!?
Not sure if this is an urban myth but i remember hearing about a dog who followed his owner up into the canadian mountains were the guy shot himself dead and his dog protected his body from scavengers for weeks untill some hill walkers found him.
A cat would just piss on you & chew on your fingers.
Loyal animals indeed…well when you feed them unlike that guy in The dark knight!
LOL! Of course Stannis would prefer a creature who was genetically inclined to obey the pack leader! Cats, OTOH, are not noted for obedience. (That is one reason I love cats, though. But I’m not Stannis.)
It grinds my gears when people refer to Littlefinger as an example of a Westerosi self-made man. He’s not, really. LF was born a lord, even if it was Lord of the Sheepshit and Master of the Drearfort. *Davos* is a genuine self-made man, born to the 99% and risen to the 1% or at least the 5% thanks to getting a shipload of onions to someone who appreciated it.
Will discuss that in the given chapters.
I think there was a way to sell it better.
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