RECAP DISCUSSION OF HBO’S GAME OF THRONES S02E07: A MAN WITHOUT HONOR

Patrick Donahoe of Entertained Organizer and I are back with another installment of our recaps on Season 2 of HBO’s Game of Thrones – Episode 7, “A Man Without Honor.” This week, we discuss Theon’s fugue state, Rickon’s encouraging capacity for human language, Ygritte’s combination of basic political theory and blueballs, Arya’s metabolism issues, whether Tywin is a sociopath or just someone who outsources to sociopaths, whether the Hound is self-loathing or simply cynical and defensive, how Jon Snow is a bit more of a screwup in the tv series than in the books, how I was totally right about “Talissa of Volantis,” Sansa going through the worst Judy Bloom novel ever, whether Jaime’s coldbloodness now and during the Rebellion was entirely necessary, and David Lynch as the uncredited guest director of this episode.

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13 thoughts on “RECAP DISCUSSION OF HBO’S GAME OF THRONES S02E07: A MAN WITHOUT HONOR

  1. scarlett45 says:

    I have to say, Jon and Ygritte’s scenes were the best of the episode. I was ROLLING. Kitt Harrington is quite beautiful. Ygritte was right, girls would claw each other’s eyes out for a chance to get naked with him. I like that Show!Ygritte doesn’t seem as desperate for his penis as Book!Ygritte, but then again in the book we are stuck in Jon’s head.

    • I really believe that Jon is the character who has suffered the most in adapting the books for the show. I think that Steven was right and it’s a combination of the fact we can’t see his thoughts in the same way we could in the book which made him more sympathetic, as well as some different choices made in the show simply being less sympathetic. Whatever it is though, his are the only scenes I don’t find myself looking forward to, and given his importance that’s somewhat problematic.

      • scarlett45 says:

        Yes, Jon’s scenes have been unimpressive until his scenes with Ygritte last week. I tend to see his chapters in ACOK as setup for the awesome stuff that happens in ASOS. I think Kitt Harrington could handle it if they gave him better material, but like Sansa’s arch, a lot of his arch at this point is internal. Yet they haven’t messed up Sansa, but they gave her Shae to play off of and confide in…

      • Fire in the World says:

        I agree with Both EO and Scarlett re the weakness of the Jon Snow characterization in the series as opposed to the books. It’s as if the writers do not trust the audience to make the transition between Jon Snow, dedicated and highly competent ranger and night watchman and Jon Snow, Lord Commander with all the difficulties he experiences in that role.

  2. Great review, as always, though I have to disagree with the Tyrion/Cersei scene. I viewed it as a scene where two master thespians completely invest their characters with exactly the nuanced relationship that I would imagine the two of them to have. Cersei is at a point of having to admit that her son, whom she loves, is a monster and may very well need to be put down. She needs Jaime there, and Tyrion, because he is Tyrion, attempts to be her brother when she needs one. It all blows up, of course, because he is not Jaime, and is a rather poor substitute in Cersei’s eyes. The look shared between them at the end of the scene holds more depth about their relationship than 100 pages could.

    • stevenattewell says:

      I have no quibbles about the acting in this scene, or the complicated relationship between Cersei and Tyrion.

      My problem was that Cersei’s admitting her son’s a monster. This causes problems in Cersei’s future plotline for reasons that are spoileriffic.

      • John says:

        I’m not sure it causes that many problems, though. They’ve already, in the most recent episode, had Cersei go crazy on Tyrion because she’s afraid he wants to get her son killed. As she told Sansa early in that episode, you love your children because you don’t have any choice, and I think that Cersei can both recognize, on some level, that Joffrey is a monster, and still love him and not want him to die horribly. They’ve already been paving the way for that, I think.

    • I’d agree with you on the second point that Tyrion’s attempt to console Cersei is never going to work because he’s not Jaime. But I don’t think that Cersei was acting. While Tyrion already knows, this is the first time Cersei admits to the incest to him. I’m not sure what benefit there would be to her in admitting it if she’s just acting, whereas it makes sense to me as presented, a weight she’s had to carry alone that she can’t handle anymore. I think she’s just at an incredibly low point and Tyrion is the only person in King’s Landing who she can count on as putting the Lannister’s first, making him the only potential confidant. The fact that it fails is tragic for both of them.

  3. That’s what makes it stick out the most for me too. The point of view characters and their scenes have all had to deal with the fact that that we can no longer see inside their heads. And admittedly that’s less of a problem with some of the characters than with others (Ned was a fairly straightforward man, his actions belied his thoughts). But in addition to Sansa (who you’re right, most of her story thus far has really been about her internal journey), there’s also Tyrion, who is a fan favorite in both the show and the books, even though a lot of what makes him so likable is his scheming and vulnerabilty, both traits that should have been easier to express in the book than the show.

    I’m not sure why they were able to get it so right with those other characters, and drop the ball so completely here. I’d be lying if I said I was going to stop watching (or even that it seriously impacts my enjoyment of the show) but it is annoying that as important a character as Jon Snow isn’t being handled well.

    • scarlett45 says:

      I think Tyrion works because he gets those snappy one-liners and Peter Dinklage is such a good actor (the best IMO, Alfie Allen is right behind). Sansa’s works because Sophie Turner inspires feelings of protectiveness and pity. Her age, gender and solitude make people want to root for her. Jon being older, and male, is expected to “know better”. However Book!Sansa wouldn’t have spoken to Shae in that manner, she would be far to conscious of rank to tell her handmaiden her inner most feelings plus she rightfully distrusts all the Lannisters.

      • John says:

        Characters in television shows have to say things to other characters that characters in the books only think. In the books, Sansa doesn’t need to have a confidante because the reader is privy to her thoughts. That’s not true in television, so if we want to get any insight into what a character like Sansa is thinking, the writers have to provide her with somebody to confide in. Shae is better than any of the alternative options in this respect.

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